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tiktok, negative 

Tiktok is such a horrifying app. People are constantly misspelling & enciphering necessary & neutral words like “ableism” and “death” just to attempt to bypass the omnipotent Algorithm. But it’s easy for even simple machine learning these days to get past such ciphers. So people have to make their videos less and less accessible so they don’t get put on a list of dissidents, or just sanitise what they say to please the capitalist overlords. What a dystopian vision of the internet.

tiktok, negative 

Saw another awful thing TikTok’s been doing recently.
I am now of the opinion that it is impossible for a video-based free internet platform to exist without exploiting its users. The costs for storage and bandwidth are simply too high.
If my mastodon server with ~10 active users had videos instead of toots, instead of paying $20 a month I would be paying easily thousands of dollars — and that would only grow as more data had to be kept accessible and it grew in popularity.

tiktok, negative 

@s0 So, I'm not on any corporate social media, therefore excuse my ignorance, but how is this different to any other network? Or Reddit et. al.? Isn't censorship bad everywhere?

re: tiktok, negative 

@adz I mean, lots of assholes cry 'censorship' about any level of moderation in social spaces. but specifically the degree of overt algorithm-sanitising of words/ideas which are specifically used by marginalised groups to address important issues, is more severe even than anything twitter has done so far imo.

re: tiktok, negative 

@s0 I see what you mean now.

re: tiktok, negative 

@s0 the fact that this is becoming a big thing in more than just 1 place (ie. youtube demonetizing and hiding videos that even mention words like queer or gay or the rest of the hidden blocklist) is so scary tbh

it feels like a whole another stage of capitalism

also the whole dmca nonsense but i guess that's only half-related

tiktok, negative 

@s0 @memnus it's a truly dangerous app

tiktok, negative 

@June @s0 my boyfriend burns time by letting the tiktok algorithm wash over him and I just can't explain to him why that makes me uncomfortable

tiktok, negative 

@memnus @s0 i have had an account for just a few weeks and like. wow. i just. words.

tiktok, negative 

@s0 but storage is not _that_ expensive (depending on where you're buying it)?
Would these users generate a terabyte of data each? But even then it wouldn't be maybe $50 extra?
Or am I missing something?

tiktok, negative 

@IngaLovinde ‘cloud storage’ is not cold (like a backup hard drive), but online, using electricity and computing resources as well, and the bandwidth to transfer that data. 10TB of media object storage from my hosting provider is in the hundreds of dollars, but the same 10TB in bandwidth is over a thousand.
ovhcloud.com/en-au/public-clou

tiktok, negative 

@s0 but that's media object storage, and there are alternatives to it?
This instance hosts all the media on a mounted network drive from Hetzner 's storage box (the instance itself is hosted on Hetzner cloud), and 10TB storage box is around 40€/month. Both storage boxes and even the cheapest cloud instances come with 20TB/ bandwidth per month (and IIRC after reaching 20TB they just throttle the connection).
I thought ovh has something similar, but if it doesn't, then probably it's just not suitable for that kind of a job?

re: tiktok, negative 

@s0 (that's weird, apparently Hetzner now has VM cloud block storage volumes which are 410 euro/month for 10TB, while their Storage Boxes and Storage Shares work just as fine with their VMs and only cost 40 euro/month for 10TB. Guess the word "cloud" really does increase the price...)

re: tiktok, negative 

@IngaLovinde well if you consider replication, availability, seek/read speed and ability to load share across many hosts, there’s various reasons it’s more expensive.

re: tiktok, negative 

@s0 and even then the bandwidth would be virtually free with Hetzner...
But speed and load share are probably not that important for a federated tiktok, it's not like every video on a small 10-user instance will receive millions of views, so using cloud media storage is probably an overkill for that (especially considering that it is two orders of magnitude more expensive at ovh)... :blobcatthinking:

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